Not all Muslims buy this story though ... which makes others in turn angry ...
Subject: Re: Prophet Noah's AHUL-BAIT plate DISCOVERED in Russia
From: "HAK"
(who contacted us in March 2003 with the request to remove his name
and email address because he did not write it and probably somebody
abused his company email account for this posting)
Date: 1996/11/12
Newsgroups: alt.religion.islam
In article <3287323A.665C@gmu.edu>, Mohamed Almubarak <malmubar@gmu.edu>
writes
> Nice Fiction story!!
Why do so say this? Is it because this is how people like you normally
reply to fact or is it that your ignorance blinds you to what is being
said?
If you at least bothered to investigate weather this story was true you
would have found out that Alhamdulliah, it is. The fact is that there
are many brothers and sisters who have SEEN the plaque. Are you calling
them, as well as brother Boom liars?
If you do, then maybe you should pray to Allah (SWT) for help and
guidance. In the meantime, make sure you check your facts before
replying to any future postings.
Wassalam
--
"HAK"
Many have seen the plate? Do you personally know somebody who has seen it?
I would like to get in contact with such a person. Otherwise, I would agree with Mohamed's evaluation: "Nice fiction story!!"
But I am open for receiving your evidence. And somebody who has visited that museum surely has a catalog or so with a picture of this plate in it? Please send me an email with your informantion.
Subject: Re: Prophet Noah's AHUL-BAIT plate DISCOVERED in Russia
From: Mohamed Almubarak <malmubar@gmu.edu>
Date: 1996/11/20
Newsgroups: alt.religion.islam
"HAK" wrote:
> In article <3287323A.665C@gmu.edu>, Mohamed Almubarak <malmubar@gmu.edu>
> writes
> >
> > Nice Fiction story!!
> >
> Why do so say this? Is it because this is how people like you normally
> reply to fact or is it that your ignorance blinds you to what is being
> said?
No. the fact is Allah have given me a mind to think and rationalize
things I don't accept things without a mind!!! All the things in that
evidence contradict our believe in Islam. So it is falsehood. Our
believe is built on what have been presented to us in the Qur'an and the
Sunnah of the prophet not the falsehood.
> If you at least bothered to investigate weather this story was true you
> would have found out that Alhamdulliah, it is. The fact is that there
> are many brothers and sisters who have SEEN the plaque. Are you calling
> them, as well as brother Boom liars?
What facts you are talking about? You reject the obvious facts and
present no proof and ask me to accept this as a fact. It contradicts the
basic principles of Islam, so it is a fiction.
>
> If you do, then maybe you should pray to Allah (SWT) for help and
> guidance.
I do and I pray to Allah to guid all Moslems not to go astray follwoing
such lies.
> In the meantime, make sure you check your facts before
> replying to any future postings.
Shouldn't this advice be offered to the people who claim that the
companions and the wives of the prophet are filled of evil?????
>
> Wassalam
> --
> "HAK"
Mohamed
Subject: Re: Prophet Noah's AHUL-BAIT plate DISCOVERED in Russia From: Mehmet Emre Yilmaz <meyilmaz@wam.umd.edu> Date: 1996/11/11 To: Navali <navali@cadvision.com> Newsgroups: alt.religion.islam In the name of god the most mercifull the most high. First of all I would like to preform this in the remembrance of Allah and in with intention of corrective Dauwah. I ask Allah to guide my thoughts so that what I say will be the truth and beneficial to His Kadr. If I state anything incorrect in the reasoning of Islam I beg for His forgiveness alone and the readers prompt correction. This is article really is a lot of ignorant junk, we don't need this kind of ignorant talk going around, I hope no one believed this. A prophet would never pray to any human being or for that matter raise over himself anyone but a prophet greater than himself, I don't give a flip that it is the "prophets" family. They are a blessed lineage but THAT IS ALL so get off the subject. Promoting the prophet through lies that sound good are equally as forbidden as promoting lies that slander and both according to the hadith, which i do not happen to have documentation for at the moment but can get upon request, will "earn your a seat in the hellfire". I simply don't understand why there are so many lies out there, it really makes me sick. Perhaps this person is unawre that he should investigate things. I am almost sure this article is a blatant lie, but as a muslim if the sender is one and not some fool trying to confuse muslims, you are obligated to look into all news according to Islam. There was once a tribe that was obligated to pay charity, and a single man was sent to call for the collection of charity. The man that was sent however was a timid man. The tribe had a reputation (this is all during the time of the Prophet pbuh) of being tough. the man ultimately chickened out and returned claiming that they had been unwilling to pay for their charity. The prophet pbuh prepared for war against the tribe when a verse in the quraan was revealed informing muslims to look into the news that we get from other people. This man was a muslim. Just because a muslim news source supposedly cliams this as truth we should not believe it because this contradicts the truth; that Muhammed pbuh was the last prophet, was not a diety, and that his family has nothing to do with shafaa'. Muhammed pbuh is as powerless to help us in this world after his existance as before he existed. He was just as powerless when Noah existed. I believe Navali is agreeing with me ( am I correct?). Do not forget Abu Bakr's words. The prophet pbuh was nothing more than the human being God most favored. It is my duty as a muslim to post such a muslim. If anyone has a problem, research this topic and prove me wrong using the contstition of life and the universe, the quraan and the sunna. Otherwise sulk in your ignorance. Assalamu Alaikum
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