In article <4h3263$ipg@shellx.best.com> on the Islamic newsgroup, maalkadh@mailbox.syr.edu (Misha'al Al-Kadhi) wrote: I have a simple question regarding Christianity. I hope that I might in posing it be able to receive a simple and logical answer. Although my question is simple, still, my experience has shown me that no one is willing to answer it. No one is willing to answer this question for me DIRECTLY. All answers always have this tendancy to answer AROUND the question, or to answer everything BUT what the question askes, etc. I am very willing, it always depends on whom you ask. :-) The question is simple: "Does the Bible *EXPLICITLY* say *ANYWHERE*, from cover to cover, that Allah is *THREE* or that Allah is a *TRINITY*, or that Allah is three gods merged into one God, etc.? Painful "Ouch" in regard to "merged", never ever will you find any such idea in Christian vocabulary. Further, did prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) *EVER*, even *ONCE* in the whole Bible ever *EXPLICITLY* say 'I am God' or 'Worship me'?" God willing, I will deal with these first two question soon, actually, they are intimately related and establishing the deity of Jesus is the major part of proving that the Trinity is the clear teaching of the Bible. For now I want to concentrate on your last question about worship. True Worship I think the main point is to realize that the "command to worship" is something very different in the Bible than what your idea of it seems to be. Let me try to communicate this with a little "fairy tale" story [we will come to the Bible verses supporting this in a minute]. Suppose the absolute king and ruler of a country, falls in love with a young [poor] woman. The kings word is the law and nobody would dare to oppose him. Now, what could the king do to win the love of this woman? He could easily command her to be his wife, but he has enough people around him, who obey him out of fear. How can he make sure that she will genuinely love him for who he is as a person and not act as if she loves him out of fear what he could do to her [negatively, because of his power], or out of greed for what he can do for her [positively, because of his wealth]? In the same way, God does desire our love and worship, but he does want this to be true, honest, genuine love and worship. He for sure can command us to worship him and he can make sure that we do. He has the power to do so. But what satisfaction would that bring to him? The king in our above story isn't interested in another slave girl, he desires her true love. God already has his angels which do his every bidding and who worship him day and night. Mankind he created because he seeks deep relationship based on free voluntary response. When a Samaritan woman asks Jesus about worship, we can listen in on Jesus teaching about it in the Gospel as recorded by John, chapter 4: 19 "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." 21 Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the * true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, * * for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. * 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." 25 The woman said, "I know that Messiah is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us." 26 Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he." Jesus says that true worship has not much to do with position, whether it be position [place] where you worship, or direction you face while praying, or position of your body that you use while praying... It is not the position of your body, but the disposition of the heart. Are you worshipping in spirit and truth? God is not interested very much that your worship "LOOKS right on the outside" [i.e. to your fellow men] but that it "IS right on the inside" [i.e. your relationship to God]. At another time Jesus teaches about prayer (and fasting and giving) [Matthew 6]: 1 "Be careful not to do your `acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 "This, then, is how you should pray: "`Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread.... [You may want to look up the rest of the model prayer, it is worth meditating on] Again, Jesus stresses that prayer is a thing of the heart, of a true relationship to the good heavenly Father, who need not be convinced by many prayers so that he will do what we want, but who loves to give good gifts to his children [see also Luke 11:13]. Side remark: There is a place for public worship. Jesus does not forbid that. He only speaks out against worship that is directed to the attention of men instead of to God. ---- And actually just today Shivani M Joshi posted a very similar hadith: Shaddad ibn Aws narrated that rasulullah[saw] said: Whoever does salaat to show off is guilty of shirk, whoever fasts to show off is guilty of shirk, and whoever gives charity to show off is also guilty of shirk. [Ahmed] I gladly affirm truth whereever it might be found. This is definitely a true and godly statement. ---- Back to the text. There indeed is much "worship" out of fear and "worship" out of trying to twist God's arm as to make him do what we want him do do for us. But TRUE worship is worship given freely out of love to our creator and all the good he has done for us. True love and worship can never be commanded, it only can be "earned" by God, or better, it comes out of our recognition of God's worth which we then want to acknowledge to him and before man. Since God does seek TRUE loving worship, he does hardly ever command worship [you will be surprised how few the commands of worship are in the Jewish scriptures too, there are hundreds of verses against false worship, there is description of true worship, but very few direct commands from God to worship him]. Should we then be surprised that Jesus does not command "Worship me!"? Let me show you a few passages of God's disgust at false worship first, before we proceed to see that Jesus is [rightly] worshiped. In the book of the Prophet Amos, chapter 5, the prophet speaks out against social injustice: 14 Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is. 15 Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Perhaps the LORD God Almighty will have mercy on the remnant of Joseph. and then delivers the direct word of God: 16 Therefore this is what the Lord, the LORD God Almighty, says: ... 21 I hate, I despise your religious feasts; I cannot stand your assemblies. 22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will have no regard for them. 23 Away with the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps. 24 But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream! [and many more prophets say clearly that unjust action to our fellow men makes our worship unacceptable to God, e.g. Isaiah 58] And the Prophet Malachi, chapter 1: 1 An oracle: The word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi. ... 6 A son honors his father, and a servant his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?" says the LORD Almighty. It is you, O priests, who show contempt for my name. But you ask, `How have we shown contempt for your name?' 7 "You place defiled food on my altar. "But you ask, `How have we defiled you?' "By saying that the LORD's table is contemptible. When you bring blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong? When you sacrifice crippled or diseased animals, is that not wrong? Try offering them to your governor! Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you?" says the LORD Almighty. 9 "Now implore God to be gracious to us. With such offerings from your hands, will he accept you?"-- says the LORD Almighty. 10 "Oh, that one of you would shut the temple doors, so that you would not light useless fires on my altar! I am not pleased with you," says the LORD Almighty, "and I will accept no offering from your hands. 11 My name will be great among the nations,... 12 "But you profane it by saying of the Lord's table, `It is defiled,' and of its food, `It is contemptible.' 13 And you say, `What a burden!' and you sniff at it contemptuously," says the LORD Almighty. "When you bring injured, crippled or diseased animals and offer them as sacrifices, should I accept them from your hands?" says the LORD. 14 "Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king," says the LORD Almighty, "and my name is to be feared among the nations. God is very concerned about his name and his glory. He rather have the whole worship shut down [verse 10] than have false worship that defiles his name and honor. There is much much more in this respect in the Jewish Scriptures, but let these two passages be enough now. We have seen that God seeks true worshippers, but he is disgusted at false worship, and rather have no worship than false worship. This is stressed by both the earlier prophets and by Jesus. Also we have seen that true worship can not be commanded but it is a voluntary reaction by those who recognize God's worth to receive worship. On this background let us look at a few more passages in the Gospels and Revelation. Both, Apostle and Angel, are Greek words for "messenger". Apostles are human messengers from God, angels are spirit beings who are sent by God. But both are created beings and only God deserves worship and there are many many commands in the Bible to only worship God and none else. Jesus himself says so in many places. Revelation 19 [where the Apostle John gets a message through the angel, and seemingly is overwhelmed by the sight of this angel and the message he brings] 9 Then the angel said to me, "Write: `Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!'" And he added, "These are the true words of God." 10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! And again in chapter 22: 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!" In Acts 10, we are told about Cornelius, a God-fearing man, who one day in his prayer time, is visited by an angel and told to send for the Apostle Peter [who will tell him more about the true faith]. 25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself." Falling postrate before a human being is absolutely improper in Jewish understanding. The same is confirmed in Acts 14: 8 In Lystra there sat a man crippled in his feet, who was lame from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10 and called out, "Stand up on your feet!" At that, the man jumped up and began to walk. 11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have come down to us in human form!" 12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 "Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them. The Apostles have power from God, and their message is confirmed with many miracles, but they are shocked when they realize that these people try to worship them and sacrifice to them. It is blasphemous to them to worship mere man. Clearly both the angels and the Apostles immediately refuse worship when offered to them. Now, let's summerize, God seeks true worship out of loving recognition that he is worth to be whorshiped. The thought of worshipping created beings, men or angels, is utterly abhorrend to a true Jew; ONLY God deserves worship. The first command [of the Ten Commandmends] is to not have anything besides God, that you worship and bow down to. Up to here, many Muslims will probably affirm most of what has been said. But this is not all the Bible says; we now have to turn to what we definitely disagree on. With all the above in mind, read the following passages (you might want to look up the context): Matthew 1: 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. Those three foreign wise men might not have fully understood how appropriate their worship was and who they really were worshiping, but the Apostle Matthew thought it significant enough to include it in his Gospel report on the life of Jesus [without any disapproval]. Matthew 14: 33 Then those in the boat [the disciples] worshiped him [Jesus], saying "Truly you are the Son of God." And Jesus does not forbid them to. After the death Jesus on the Sunday morning a few women among the followers of Jesus go to his grave, and they are shocked that the body is gone. The grave is empty, but they meet angels there who tell them in Matthew 28: 7 ... Then go quickly and tell his disciples: `He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you." 8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me." and Jesus did not forbid them to. Later ... 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.... 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." And that is the end of the Gospel according to Matthew. Can anybody be in doubt who the text says that Jesus is? He receives worship and not only accepts it [implying his deity] but in these few verses makes several more claims to be divine. * All authority in heaven and earth is his [given to him, because he laid down the authority that was his from eternity, when he became man, now after his resurrection, he has the authority being given back to him by the Father.] * There is ONE name only for Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are one in essence of Deity, though distinct in three persons of the Trinity. * teaching everyone all that HE has commanded them, not that he has passed on a word from God [which is also true] but it is HIS own teaching. No prophet has ever claimed anything the like. Only God can give commands. * Although in the ascension he is going back to his "invisible" status in heaven, he claims that he will be with them (ALWAYS and everywhere). He claims omnipresence, which is an attribute only God has. Realize that he just told them to go into ALL the world, so when he is with them, while they are spread over all the world, that is no easy thing for a finite human being. But it is no problem for God. Yes, some still doubted [verse 17], but after all, this was a revolution of a paradigm shift these strict Jewish monotheist believers had to make in their life. [Note the importance of this half sentence "but some doubted"! Doubted what? That they saw Jesus? Thinking that he might be a hallucination? No, there was no doubt about his "being there". The "but" is refering back to what is stated in the first part of the sentence, namely "they worshiped him". IF you want to interpret this word not as "worship" but as "showing respect to Jesus", then what was there to doubt? Is it wrong to show respect to God's Messiah? No, though most of them were finally convinced of Jesus' true identity, some still had a hard time accepting it and were not sure if it is right to worship him, since worship belongs only to God. Or even if they had "mentally" come to the right conclusion, there body wasn't ready yet to perform in worship of God in the form of a human body. So, even the doubt of some of the disciples shows that "worship" has to be "worship" and not just "showing respect" as some Muslims would like to translatethe word. But as I said, Jesus claims so many of divine attributes in what he states about himself in these verses, that this should be clear anyway.] These are only three instances from the Gospel according to Matthew, there are quite a number of more instances where Jesus is worshiped and he NEVER refuses the worship of people. But can we fail to see, how strategically Matthew places his few remarks on the worship of Jesus? Jesus is worshiped at the beginning of his life as infant [chapter 2], he is worshiped in the middle of the Gospel record [chapter 14] in the time of his public teaching, and he is worshiped at the end of the Gospel [chapter 28] after his crucifixion and resurrection. At all three major stages of earthly life, he receives worship. And Jesus receives worship in heaven after his ascension recorded in the same book of Revelation that so vehemently denies worship to anybody but God as we have seen above. See Revelation 4:11, 5:9-14. The Gospel according to Luke ends with the verses [chapter 24] 50 When he [Jesus] had led them [disciples] out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him [Jesus] and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God. Note: This worship of Jesus can hardly be taken as a "respectful bow" as some would have it, since Jesus is no longer visibly there to be bowed to. This is worship just as the invisible God is worshiped. In the Gospel according to John, chapter 9, we are informed about a healing of a man born blind. And the religious authorities refuse to believe the man. Later Jesus meets this man again [who has not seen him yet]. Let us start with the man's argument to the religious leaders: 32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing." 34 To this they replied, "You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!" And they threw him out. 35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." 37 Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." 38 Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him. How does Jesus react? Does he rebuke the man? 39 Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." 40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?" 41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. Jesus affirms that the formerly blind man sees now, not only physically but also spiritually. He has descerned what is really going and has drawn the right consquence in worshiping Jesus out of his insight and Jesus not only accepts it, he makes a comment that shows that he was expecting more people would see the meaning of all he said and did. But many refuse to see what is plainly before their eyes. And in refusing to acknowledge who Jesus is, they speak their own judgment. They claim they know what is right, and reject Jesus, and Jesus says, that this rejection is the cause that they will not find forgiveness. Can it be any clearer that Jesus consciously receives worship and affirms it as right? And the last passage from John 20, though there are quite a number of more passages which prove the same, but all that John reports culminates in the climax of his whole Gospel (chapter 20) with the confession of Thomas [again Jesus affirms Thomas reaction, he gives no hint that this could be an overreaction; rather he says, that he would have liked to see that a bit earlier]: 27 Then he (Jesus) said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." [WHAT should he believe?] 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" [THIS is the content of faith Jesus has been looking for all this time!] 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." [NOW Jesus says that "Thomas is believing"] And with that, the Gospel account is at the point where John was leading his readers, the point John wanted them all to understand. Finally, Thomas, the one with the MOST doubts, [so that he came down in history as Thomas, the doubter] comes out with the confession / realization of the true nature of Jesus. Jesus is the Lord and God. What follows is just a short epilog (and a few afterthoughts on what happened later). The case is proven, there is not much more to say. 30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written SO THAT you may believe that Jesus is the Christ (=Messiah), THE Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. Having (eternal) LIFE is something that depends on this belief that Jesus is the Son of God. And in this whole Gospel, this means that He IS God the Son, God Himself, Lord and God, the Truth, the Way and the Life and there will be no other way to God than faith in Him. NOBODY will come to (God,) the Father, except through Jesus (God, the Son) (John 14:6). Does Jesus say "Worship me!"? No, Mishaal, you have researched your Bible well, you wouldn't have asked the question if this statement had been found verbatim. But you seem to have overlooked the obvious, maybe out of a misunderstanding what worship means. God [Jesus] seeks true, voluntary worship out of a loving response and gratitude. True worship never comes out of a command to worship. God in effect says: If you don't mean it, don't do it. God does not need our worship. We need to worship him, but false worship is worse than no worship. God seeks above all our honesty, our true heart. Let us worship him, the true God, in spirit and truth. God seeking truth and honesty above anything else in those who worship him, allows even prayers of [honest] doubt in the Bible. There are several psalms, which in fact formulate "God, I am no longer even sure if you exist" or "if you even care about what is going on in my life" ... These are honest prayers and therefore accepted by God and he made sure they are included in the Psalms. We are invited to come to God with our doubts, if we really want him to give HIS answers to our doubts. God, who are you really? I am confused. Show me the truth about yourself. No matter the cost, I do want to know the truth. That is a supremely acceptable prayer when it comes out of a sincere heart. May your prayer be like it and your desire to know the truth. This is my prayer for myself and for you. All glory be to the only true God. All mistakes are mine. JochenFor a good theology book on the topic, please consult:
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